gans
07-19 01:04 PM
Hi Guys :
Thanks to the poster who started this thread! He just beat me. Now, this is what we need to know from IV core. How much money did they collectively spend? We need to pay them back, right now! Now, we know what Aman spent, we would also like to know what other members spent. These are the options I can think of :
1. Make this a paid site for the first 3 months. $10 contribution from 20,000+ members would take us to $200,000 in 1 month. Roughly, calculating that the collective money spent by core and other members is $200,000, we would hit that mark in 1 month. The rest of the $400,000 that would be made in 2 months can be for lobbying efforts as the article mentioned that the goal is to get $250,000 more by the end of this year. Core members : Please do not feel 'guilty' for making this a paid site as it is a Non-profit organization. Every body is benefitting from all the sacrifices you have made.
2. From the fourth month onwards, let people decide upon their own how much they want to contribute. But, please allow me to express this idea. If it is going to be $10, $20 one-time contribution etc., we can convince more people (Friends) to contribute instead of $50 or $100. Any money is good money and we should not say no to smaller amounts.
Let us all unite together in making sure that the core team gets their money back. We don't want to feel guilty all throughout our lives.
I just made a miniscule contribution of $100 for the first time.
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Thanks to the poster who started this thread! He just beat me. Now, this is what we need to know from IV core. How much money did they collectively spend? We need to pay them back, right now! Now, we know what Aman spent, we would also like to know what other members spent. These are the options I can think of :
1. Make this a paid site for the first 3 months. $10 contribution from 20,000+ members would take us to $200,000 in 1 month. Roughly, calculating that the collective money spent by core and other members is $200,000, we would hit that mark in 1 month. The rest of the $400,000 that would be made in 2 months can be for lobbying efforts as the article mentioned that the goal is to get $250,000 more by the end of this year. Core members : Please do not feel 'guilty' for making this a paid site as it is a Non-profit organization. Every body is benefitting from all the sacrifices you have made.
2. From the fourth month onwards, let people decide upon their own how much they want to contribute. But, please allow me to express this idea. If it is going to be $10, $20 one-time contribution etc., we can convince more people (Friends) to contribute instead of $50 or $100. Any money is good money and we should not say no to smaller amounts.
Let us all unite together in making sure that the core team gets their money back. We don't want to feel guilty all throughout our lives.
I just made a miniscule contribution of $100 for the first time.
Order Details - Jul 19, 2007 12:15 PM CDT
Google Order #803414947357091
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nixstor
06-11 04:24 PM
what if Obama does not win :) ..if something has to pass it will pass during this term. things and priorities change after a person gets elected. this is politics 101. I appreciate your optimism and if there is no spill over then EB3-I faces the worst case scenario. as usual the truth is somewhere in between. i.e. be ready for a long road ..if you get before that ..then good.
as others mentioned ..the only other thing you can do is support IV.
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I follow politics too and politics is very complex for mortals like us. there are many obstacles for Obama ..his tax policies, some of the controversies and mr Rezko ..why do you think Clinton only suspended her campaign but did not close it completely ?
Guys,
It doesn't matter what the president wants to do as far as CIR is concerned. As far as CIR is concerned, George W begged it to be passed in both houses well before he became a lame duck. I don't see how the lawmakers on far right can come and align with the far left or even the lawmakers who are in the center. For the CIR to pass through without issues, Dems should control both houses with a big majority. Also, if you are thinking that Obama is going to win this, you are very well underestimating Mac. watch out for the GOP machine in the last 2 months and it will be a different ball game. Clinton lost because her campaign was over confident and by the time they realized they had a string of 10 bad states whose background does not suit her. Mac's campaign can't be over confident after they saw what happened. GOP is going to do its best to further divide the badly bruised Democratic party. Its few states that will decide this election and its difficult to carry states winning only the metropolitan areas. Obama won 5 counties of 90 some counties in OH. If his performance in general election is going to be the same, forget OH. Same situation in WV.
For now, I feel Obama is a great visionary and ideologue. No one knows whether he will achieve most of the things he is promising to do if he becomes the president. But he has been very logical and rational esp with the gas tax holiday. All said, he looks like a destiny's child. Imagine where he would have been if the Rev wright wreck came before the Iowa caucuses.
There are so many ifs and buts. our interests are best served with out the big vehicle CIR. If thats the only vehicle, we possibly are going to be held hostage.
as others mentioned ..the only other thing you can do is support IV.
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I follow politics too and politics is very complex for mortals like us. there are many obstacles for Obama ..his tax policies, some of the controversies and mr Rezko ..why do you think Clinton only suspended her campaign but did not close it completely ?
Guys,
It doesn't matter what the president wants to do as far as CIR is concerned. As far as CIR is concerned, George W begged it to be passed in both houses well before he became a lame duck. I don't see how the lawmakers on far right can come and align with the far left or even the lawmakers who are in the center. For the CIR to pass through without issues, Dems should control both houses with a big majority. Also, if you are thinking that Obama is going to win this, you are very well underestimating Mac. watch out for the GOP machine in the last 2 months and it will be a different ball game. Clinton lost because her campaign was over confident and by the time they realized they had a string of 10 bad states whose background does not suit her. Mac's campaign can't be over confident after they saw what happened. GOP is going to do its best to further divide the badly bruised Democratic party. Its few states that will decide this election and its difficult to carry states winning only the metropolitan areas. Obama won 5 counties of 90 some counties in OH. If his performance in general election is going to be the same, forget OH. Same situation in WV.
For now, I feel Obama is a great visionary and ideologue. No one knows whether he will achieve most of the things he is promising to do if he becomes the president. But he has been very logical and rational esp with the gas tax holiday. All said, he looks like a destiny's child. Imagine where he would have been if the Rev wright wreck came before the Iowa caucuses.
There are so many ifs and buts. our interests are best served with out the big vehicle CIR. If thats the only vehicle, we possibly are going to be held hostage.
mrajatish
02-28 10:00 AM
Here is what I have understood from my lawyers -
DOL decree, if adopted, will prevent any further labor substitution.
Any labor approved after the decree is adopted cannot be used for substitution.
Any 140 application based on labor sub will not be denied until USCIS adopts a similar resolution - it is unlikely that USCIS will do such a thing as it will lead to lawsuits from lawyers and folks already in the queue
People with already approved 140 do not need to worry at all.
I am laying down the facts here such that people can make educated decisions on what they want to do.
DOL decree, if adopted, will prevent any further labor substitution.
Any labor approved after the decree is adopted cannot be used for substitution.
Any 140 application based on labor sub will not be denied until USCIS adopts a similar resolution - it is unlikely that USCIS will do such a thing as it will lead to lawsuits from lawyers and folks already in the queue
People with already approved 140 do not need to worry at all.
I am laying down the facts here such that people can make educated decisions on what they want to do.
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ak_2006
03-13 03:38 PM
Thank you for posting.... But how did you find this link?
I saved some old visa bulletin link. When I open that I got March Bulletin. I clicked Archives. From there April 2008 is available.
You can see the link:
http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_1770.html
I saved some old visa bulletin link. When I open that I got March Bulletin. I clicked Archives. From there April 2008 is available.
You can see the link:
http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_1770.html
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krishmunn
04-17 10:31 PM
You should not have gotton H1B visa in the first place, as H1b visas are for professionals and there are many professionals stuggle to get an h1b visas even after engineering degrees. In your case, IGNOU is a shame. Its worse than University of Pheonix. If you get a greencard in EB2, it will be a biggest mockery of the USCIS and department of labor.
I suggest you learn a thing or two about laws governing H1 and EB GC. From your various post it appears that you have absolutely no clue regarding these process nor do you know what a legitimate university is . Did you pass from a unaccredited university ??
BTW, one does not even need a degree for H1 .... absence of every 1 year of post secondary education can be substituted by 3 years of experience --- so US Government understands the importance of experience. But I agree , some wannabe US LPR/Citizen might find it difficult to understand the importance of experience.
Care to explain why "professionals with engineering degree" "struggle" to get H1 ? It is a pretty straight forward process if you have a "valid" job. If you work for a fraud consulting company , it is a different story however.
I suggest you learn a thing or two about laws governing H1 and EB GC. From your various post it appears that you have absolutely no clue regarding these process nor do you know what a legitimate university is . Did you pass from a unaccredited university ??
BTW, one does not even need a degree for H1 .... absence of every 1 year of post secondary education can be substituted by 3 years of experience --- so US Government understands the importance of experience. But I agree , some wannabe US LPR/Citizen might find it difficult to understand the importance of experience.
Care to explain why "professionals with engineering degree" "struggle" to get H1 ? It is a pretty straight forward process if you have a "valid" job. If you work for a fraud consulting company , it is a different story however.
fall2004us
04-20 03:01 PM
I got soft LUD on 4/10 and a hard LUD on my wife's application on 4/13. My attorney recd the RFE today and informed that USCIS is requesting evidence of my marriage to be bonafide.
My attorney is asking for additional legal fees for replying to RFE. Gurus, do you think I should pay to the attorney or can I just reply to USCIS with evidence?
Thanks,
Praky
Hi Praky,
dont pay anything to your attorney, ask him to mail you the RFE, just attach the marraige certificate along with the RFE + envelope sent by USCIS which has a bar code.
In my case, attorney forwarded the RFE and asked me to mail it myself, I didnt even put a covering letter, RFE letter on top will act as a covering letter. I used USPS overnight, USCIS received the next day and got a hard LUD on my case.
My attorney is asking for additional legal fees for replying to RFE. Gurus, do you think I should pay to the attorney or can I just reply to USCIS with evidence?
Thanks,
Praky
Hi Praky,
dont pay anything to your attorney, ask him to mail you the RFE, just attach the marraige certificate along with the RFE + envelope sent by USCIS which has a bar code.
In my case, attorney forwarded the RFE and asked me to mail it myself, I didnt even put a covering letter, RFE letter on top will act as a covering letter. I used USPS overnight, USCIS received the next day and got a hard LUD on my case.
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jnraajan
03-13 11:29 AM
WaldenPond is too nice to answer your question. Personally, I wouldn't consider it obligatory to answer a specific question by someone who cannot volunteer due to "Personal Reason", whatever that may mean. If you cannot volunteer, cannot participate in IV's action items, cannot contribute, then you are most welcome to use IV's portal to get answers to your questions or get other kind of information - but do not expect updates from anyone as your right!
IV is not a top-down organization and if you think that it is becoming like Immigration Portal then partially it is due to people like you who do not want to participate but just want 'updates'.
I completely disagree with your message here. You dont even know what the personal reason for not participating in a state chapter is. I, for one, am unable to join a state chapter, because , the nearest chapter is 400 miles and 2 states away. What good would it do to me to join something that I can never be part of. I wanted to start a state chapter here in my place, but I couldnt find any useful resources on how to do it. May be eb3_nepa has some reasons like it.
Like you said, IV is not a top-down organization, which means everyone is responsible for everyone. I dont see anything wrong with eb3_nepa's questions. He wanted to know what is going on. I am sure there are lots of people around here who has the same questions.
The Admin Fixes letter campaign was a good initiative. But, the target date got moved twice, and now I dont even know when the end date is.
May be IV should be a top-down organization. Any organization as big as IV would probably be better served with a Top Team. That team could probably elected by the community. I am confident, that most of our members wouldnt even mind spending a few extra bucks to pay a honarary amount to this team for their efforts and time. Then there will be more structure and accountability and action going on around here.
I came to know about IV pretty late. When I did learn about IV and joined IV, I was a very enthusiastic participant. Of late, I do believe IV is fading away. I dont see so many activities going on around here. Like eb3_nepa and few others said, IV is right now becoming just another Immigration portal. It is starting to lose its identity.
After doing all the hard work to gather a mass or like minded people, it will be shameful, if IV drifts away from its stated aim. So, may be it is time for every member, including core members like you to refect upon things and come up with ways to make this organization more transparent and more accessible for people like me.
Like Waldenpond said, it is probably not wise to list all the items going on in the portal. The work around to that would be, we can add another membership type which is more restrictive. This membership group will have only members whose identities have been verified. Once this group is created, IV can post all the happenings accessible to them. This will help people like me who are unable to be part of any state chapter to know what is happening at IV. Keep our sprits high.
Thank you
IV is not a top-down organization and if you think that it is becoming like Immigration Portal then partially it is due to people like you who do not want to participate but just want 'updates'.
I completely disagree with your message here. You dont even know what the personal reason for not participating in a state chapter is. I, for one, am unable to join a state chapter, because , the nearest chapter is 400 miles and 2 states away. What good would it do to me to join something that I can never be part of. I wanted to start a state chapter here in my place, but I couldnt find any useful resources on how to do it. May be eb3_nepa has some reasons like it.
Like you said, IV is not a top-down organization, which means everyone is responsible for everyone. I dont see anything wrong with eb3_nepa's questions. He wanted to know what is going on. I am sure there are lots of people around here who has the same questions.
The Admin Fixes letter campaign was a good initiative. But, the target date got moved twice, and now I dont even know when the end date is.
May be IV should be a top-down organization. Any organization as big as IV would probably be better served with a Top Team. That team could probably elected by the community. I am confident, that most of our members wouldnt even mind spending a few extra bucks to pay a honarary amount to this team for their efforts and time. Then there will be more structure and accountability and action going on around here.
I came to know about IV pretty late. When I did learn about IV and joined IV, I was a very enthusiastic participant. Of late, I do believe IV is fading away. I dont see so many activities going on around here. Like eb3_nepa and few others said, IV is right now becoming just another Immigration portal. It is starting to lose its identity.
After doing all the hard work to gather a mass or like minded people, it will be shameful, if IV drifts away from its stated aim. So, may be it is time for every member, including core members like you to refect upon things and come up with ways to make this organization more transparent and more accessible for people like me.
Like Waldenpond said, it is probably not wise to list all the items going on in the portal. The work around to that would be, we can add another membership type which is more restrictive. This membership group will have only members whose identities have been verified. Once this group is created, IV can post all the happenings accessible to them. This will help people like me who are unable to be part of any state chapter to know what is happening at IV. Keep our sprits high.
Thank you
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Desertfox
11-01 04:41 PM
What is this reverse brain drain ? there is no such thing - folks who are here are going to hang on tooth & nail to stay here come hell or high water - the only ones who are going back are the ones who have no other option.
Or they have way more options than you or me!! Don't envy those guys who move around the world like free birds not thinking twice about leaving the green card process half way, and unlike us they probably will earn more after leaving US. Your post shows lots of frustration..... take it easy man!:D
Or they have way more options than you or me!! Don't envy those guys who move around the world like free birds not thinking twice about leaving the green card process half way, and unlike us they probably will earn more after leaving US. Your post shows lots of frustration..... take it easy man!:D
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eyeswe
03-17 05:22 AM
I thought EB2 vs EB3 is mainly determined by what your job requires.. You may have a Masters but if your JD does not require one, the company cannot file you on EB2.
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meg_z
02-02 03:40 PM
http://boards.immigrationportal.com/showthread.php?t=239578
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amulchandra
04-01 09:10 PM
Hi when485,
Our PDs are close.Mine is jul-06 eb3/I. My family's all 485s had a soft LUD on 03/31/2009 and today 04/01/2009. I am thinking it could be because of 2nd finger print notices for our family.
Our PDs are close.Mine is jul-06 eb3/I. My family's all 485s had a soft LUD on 03/31/2009 and today 04/01/2009. I am thinking it could be because of 2nd finger print notices for our family.
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brij523
07-25 05:25 PM
For me the frustrating aspect is that my first son is in college. Arizona State University is forcing me to pay out-of-state fees and have stated that I could only pay in-state tuition after filing I-485! So the money I could have invested in business is going to college tuition. Another son is in senior class in high school and will be going to college next year. Yet another son will be going to college in 2008.
I have thought of going back to Nigeria but I'll like my sons to finish college here. So, I have decided to stay until I get GC. My wife and I are both studying for Masters (another big expense for us!).
We spend most of our time between studies, volunteering and other community activities.
Could others on this forum who have college-age kids tell me how they and their families are coping with expense of college tuition?
I have been to different state and I have stayed in different state. I think if an individual had stayed for one year in a state, the indivudual is eligible for in state tuition, that is the general rule I observed in all the state I have stayed. My wife is studying. I don't pay any fee for her. The tuition is covered under HOPE scholarship.
My status I140 approved and I485 pending.
I have thought of going back to Nigeria but I'll like my sons to finish college here. So, I have decided to stay until I get GC. My wife and I are both studying for Masters (another big expense for us!).
We spend most of our time between studies, volunteering and other community activities.
Could others on this forum who have college-age kids tell me how they and their families are coping with expense of college tuition?
I have been to different state and I have stayed in different state. I think if an individual had stayed for one year in a state, the indivudual is eligible for in state tuition, that is the general rule I observed in all the state I have stayed. My wife is studying. I don't pay any fee for her. The tuition is covered under HOPE scholarship.
My status I140 approved and I485 pending.
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B3NKobe
06-02 02:57 AM
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anilpraveen
03-29 06:34 PM
Just donated $50 for the effort. Thanks to all the volunteers in this effort.
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JazzByTheBay
12-13 04:21 PM
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Sorry for the extra bit of sarcasm here, but I seriously expect us to raise a million $ for our efforts from the 25,000 members (or at least raise our targets significantly... ), and get some more ideas on resolving some of the communication and logistics issues - so any ideas that help us towards such a goal are welcome.
jazz
I agree. I feel that the only thing that would be acheived if IV became a paid website is loss of membership. Then our PR documents will start with "IV is an organization of 200 members who are affected by ... "
Human nature is such that a few lead and others follow. We should recognize this and move on.
Sorry for the extra bit of sarcasm here, but I seriously expect us to raise a million $ for our efforts from the 25,000 members (or at least raise our targets significantly... ), and get some more ideas on resolving some of the communication and logistics issues - so any ideas that help us towards such a goal are welcome.
jazz
I agree. I feel that the only thing that would be acheived if IV became a paid website is loss of membership. Then our PR documents will start with "IV is an organization of 200 members who are affected by ... "
Human nature is such that a few lead and others follow. We should recognize this and move on.
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abhijitp
06-17 02:51 PM
Takes less than 15 minutes. NORCAL, these reps are all from California, therefore I impore you to make these calls urgently!
Easy steps that I followed:
1) Go to the first post here:
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=19387
2) Right click, select santb1975's message, print it
3) Find a conference room (or any place where you can speak without disturbance) for 15 minutes
4) Call these 6 offices, exactly following the instructions you printed in step 2
HAPPY CALLING, but please make it quick. Consider this your best chance to make a difference!
Thanks!
Easy steps that I followed:
1) Go to the first post here:
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=19387
2) Right click, select santb1975's message, print it
3) Find a conference room (or any place where you can speak without disturbance) for 15 minutes
4) Call these 6 offices, exactly following the instructions you printed in step 2
HAPPY CALLING, but please make it quick. Consider this your best chance to make a difference!
Thanks!
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immi_twinges
07-15 07:38 AM
singed and done!
It was mentioned in the other thread.
It was mentioned in the other thread.
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smartboy75
10-24 02:46 PM
You had mentioned in your previous post that your EB2 green card was approved in June 2007or did you mean EAD?
Am I missing something?
tnite..
I think he is one of those lucky ones ..whose I-485 was approved by USICS just before the July 2 fiasco....Remember they exhausted 60,000 visa numbers by burning mid-night oil ?? ring a bell...
Am I missing something?
tnite..
I think he is one of those lucky ones ..whose I-485 was approved by USICS just before the July 2 fiasco....Remember they exhausted 60,000 visa numbers by burning mid-night oil ?? ring a bell...
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Brightsider
07-24 02:53 PM
Let me give this a shot:
Brightsider/Raji,
Going by your id registration date, I am presuming you are new to this site and do not know the history of what transpired over the last few years. There are hundreds of threads/discussions/posts where these arguments have been made and answered. We (all of us) are seeing increased interest in solving our EB-GC problems because of hopeless retrogression and a ray of hope in terms of CIR. Just because one shows new interest, you cannot expect immediate consolation and agreement on what you say/propose.
There were numerous times when members felt a specific campaign and/or item needs to be pursued. Serious discussions happened and eventually the advice of core which gets its info from various sources supported or not. There is nothing to stop you or I from pursuing an option.
I for many months did not understand the rationale and the way the system/politics function in this country. I still do not understand. BUT I do understand certain basic things:
1. How laws are crafted: the process, the resources involved and other technical matters.
2. Lobbying and advocacy: What role they play when dealing with lawmaking. Go read about the healthcare bill and what is happening in the Congress, lobbying, interest groups, associations, ordinary citizens, PACs, non-partisan groups. you might get a taste of what this is all about.
3. Systems: USCIS, DOL, Homeland Security etc
4. Politics: The main parties involved (Dems, Republicans). Who reacts to what and what their core values are. What is left, middle, right. who is where.
5. How national and state politics matter.
I am going to generalize here a bit: A lot of members who get their info from CNN or Google Reader or other 'mainstream' media sources might get either a black or white version of news/happenings. I quickly realized there are numerous shades of gray when dealing with Washington DC. How politics of left, middle and right come into play, which Senator or representative votes which way and why, etc. Listening to a press conference and reading an article on CNN does not give one insight into politics. These are the 'backend' intelligence which I trust core to know and advice us. I do not expect them to reveal their sources nor specific tactics. Most often than not, there is a rational explanation.
In this specific case, my take is: AILA with all their nobel intentions are in the 'business' of making money from folks like us and our employers. There are many shades here and it is not all black or white as it may seem. Like a member pointed out, AILA does not represent just EB or legal immigration. There are other things involved which may be detrimental to us (you do not want to be bracketed in the same category as illegals or want amnesty as an example). Apart from this, timing is critical.
One of the most important parties apart from Lawmakers is our opponents. Anti-immigrants who wants to know tactics, strategy: who we are calling, whom we are faxing, whom we are meeting, how we work, etc. They doggedly follow and couteract many items. For every fax/call/email you send there might be a counter reply from anti-immigrants. When core suggests confidentiality and secrecy, those I believe are not some magic/secret cloakish things but a matter of pragmatic reality. That is the world we are in and to be successful, we have to deal with those realities.
Giving out updated information is not as simple as it seems. These are steps which can be easily retraced and antis can quickly use those steps and backstab us, crippling our efforts. Updated information == tactics. My last point is about: Donors Vs Non-donors. Do you know that you need not be a donor to volunteer ? Try getting in touch with folks at IV. There is a lot you can do and you seem to be the right person whom we need on our side. I urge you to contact IV.
Thanks Qasleuth,
I was resigned to seeing a lot of ire directed my way, and was pleasantly surprised to read your lenghty and reasoned reply. And the important thing was that you were able to get your point across without antagonizing or making me feel stupid and low.
You are bang on target with your observations and explanations. Having been reading IV threads for over three-four years, (or is it five, I lose count), I have always found it to be a great resource. It is only of late that I have been posting concerns and suggestions. So I have been witness to attacks of tunnel rats and others and also aware of their rants and ruses. I saw the advocacy effort of July 2007, and the tremendous synergies generated by IV. The short point is that IV is not new to me, although the converse is true.
Now on the issue of AILA template, your reasoning is candid and well argued. I agree that when I first suggested that we use the AILA template I had not fully considered all the issues that you highlighted. It is a different matter that I have no regrets for having done so, for reasons that I find appropriate. I am sure you have no quarrel with that, having said that each of us is entitled to our opinions and pathways.
Thanks once again, got to go to a meeting.......will catch up later.
Brightsider/Raji,
Going by your id registration date, I am presuming you are new to this site and do not know the history of what transpired over the last few years. There are hundreds of threads/discussions/posts where these arguments have been made and answered. We (all of us) are seeing increased interest in solving our EB-GC problems because of hopeless retrogression and a ray of hope in terms of CIR. Just because one shows new interest, you cannot expect immediate consolation and agreement on what you say/propose.
There were numerous times when members felt a specific campaign and/or item needs to be pursued. Serious discussions happened and eventually the advice of core which gets its info from various sources supported or not. There is nothing to stop you or I from pursuing an option.
I for many months did not understand the rationale and the way the system/politics function in this country. I still do not understand. BUT I do understand certain basic things:
1. How laws are crafted: the process, the resources involved and other technical matters.
2. Lobbying and advocacy: What role they play when dealing with lawmaking. Go read about the healthcare bill and what is happening in the Congress, lobbying, interest groups, associations, ordinary citizens, PACs, non-partisan groups. you might get a taste of what this is all about.
3. Systems: USCIS, DOL, Homeland Security etc
4. Politics: The main parties involved (Dems, Republicans). Who reacts to what and what their core values are. What is left, middle, right. who is where.
5. How national and state politics matter.
I am going to generalize here a bit: A lot of members who get their info from CNN or Google Reader or other 'mainstream' media sources might get either a black or white version of news/happenings. I quickly realized there are numerous shades of gray when dealing with Washington DC. How politics of left, middle and right come into play, which Senator or representative votes which way and why, etc. Listening to a press conference and reading an article on CNN does not give one insight into politics. These are the 'backend' intelligence which I trust core to know and advice us. I do not expect them to reveal their sources nor specific tactics. Most often than not, there is a rational explanation.
In this specific case, my take is: AILA with all their nobel intentions are in the 'business' of making money from folks like us and our employers. There are many shades here and it is not all black or white as it may seem. Like a member pointed out, AILA does not represent just EB or legal immigration. There are other things involved which may be detrimental to us (you do not want to be bracketed in the same category as illegals or want amnesty as an example). Apart from this, timing is critical.
One of the most important parties apart from Lawmakers is our opponents. Anti-immigrants who wants to know tactics, strategy: who we are calling, whom we are faxing, whom we are meeting, how we work, etc. They doggedly follow and couteract many items. For every fax/call/email you send there might be a counter reply from anti-immigrants. When core suggests confidentiality and secrecy, those I believe are not some magic/secret cloakish things but a matter of pragmatic reality. That is the world we are in and to be successful, we have to deal with those realities.
Giving out updated information is not as simple as it seems. These are steps which can be easily retraced and antis can quickly use those steps and backstab us, crippling our efforts. Updated information == tactics. My last point is about: Donors Vs Non-donors. Do you know that you need not be a donor to volunteer ? Try getting in touch with folks at IV. There is a lot you can do and you seem to be the right person whom we need on our side. I urge you to contact IV.
Thanks Qasleuth,
I was resigned to seeing a lot of ire directed my way, and was pleasantly surprised to read your lenghty and reasoned reply. And the important thing was that you were able to get your point across without antagonizing or making me feel stupid and low.
You are bang on target with your observations and explanations. Having been reading IV threads for over three-four years, (or is it five, I lose count), I have always found it to be a great resource. It is only of late that I have been posting concerns and suggestions. So I have been witness to attacks of tunnel rats and others and also aware of their rants and ruses. I saw the advocacy effort of July 2007, and the tremendous synergies generated by IV. The short point is that IV is not new to me, although the converse is true.
Now on the issue of AILA template, your reasoning is candid and well argued. I agree that when I first suggested that we use the AILA template I had not fully considered all the issues that you highlighted. It is a different matter that I have no regrets for having done so, for reasons that I find appropriate. I am sure you have no quarrel with that, having said that each of us is entitled to our opinions and pathways.
Thanks once again, got to go to a meeting.......will catch up later.
willwin
06-10 11:49 AM
Call.. nothing to loose to call..
I just did. Called all the 6 offices.
I just did. Called all the 6 offices.
deletedUser459
06-13 01:02 PM
because I'm a green lover here's a greenish from me (-:
how awesome would it be if the screen actually did look like that?
good job
how awesome would it be if the screen actually did look like that?
good job
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